Duquesne Group variant of Téméraire Class

NumberEWIKI

46 ships



NationalityFrance
Nominal Guns74
Approved1788
DesignerJacques-Noël Sané (1740-1831)
RateThird Rate
TypeShip of the Line
Designed Crew700
Ships in Class42

Design ArmamentBroadside Weight = 838.00 French Livre (904.37 lbs 410.20 kg)BWAS-1793
Lower Gun Deck28 x French 36-Pounder
Upper Gun Deck30 x French 18-Pounder
Quarterdeck12 x French 8-Pounder
Forecastle4 x French 8-Pounder

Design Dimensions and Ship Information
 OrderedShipyardLaunchedOut of serviceFateGundeck LengthLength of KeelBreadthDepth in holdBurthen
As Designed     172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Duquesne (74) UnknownToulon 2.9.178825.7.1803Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Tourville (74) UnknownLorient 16.12.17881841Broken Up172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Jupiter (74) 19.8.1787Brest 4.11.17898.1807Broken Up172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
L'Éole (74) UnknownLorient 15.11.17891816Broken Up172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Vengeur (74) UnknownBrest 16.12.17891793Last known172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Thésée (74) UnknownRochefort 14.4.17901816Broken Up172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Scipion (74) UnknownToulon 30.7.179029.8.1793Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Jean Bart (74) UnknownLorient 7.11.179029.2.1809Wrecked172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Thémistocle (74) UnknownLorient 17911793Last known172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Pompée (74) UnknownToulon 28.5.179129.8.1793Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Suffren (74) UnknownBrest 31.5.179121.10.1805Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Pyrrhus (74) UnknownRochefort 19.8.17914.11.1805Captured183' 2"149' 7 ⅜"48' 8 ¼"20' 6"1,886 4494
Le Trajan (74) 19.10.1787Lorient 24.1.17921805Broken Up172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Tyrannicide (74) UnknownLorient 17931.1802Wrecked172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Nestor (74) UnknownBrest 179311.4.1809Sunk in Action172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Tigre (74) UnknownBrest 8.5.179323.6.1795Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0"1537
Le Barra (74) UnknownToulon 179412.10.1798Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Wattignies (74) UnknownLorient 17941809Broken Up172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Jemmapes (74) 19.10.1787Rochefort 22.1.17945.1820Deleted from list172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Lion (74) UnknownRochefort 29.4.179423.6.1795Captured184' 5"149' 5 ¼"48' 9"21' 7 ½"1,889 794
Les Droits de l'Homme (74) UnknownLorient 29.5.179414.1.1797Wrecked172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Cassard (74) 16.2.1793Lorient 17956.2.1806Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Jean Jaques Rousseau (74) UnknownToulon 21.7.179513.3.1806Captured183' 1 ⅛"150' 3 ⅛"49' 1 ⅝"21' 3"1,929 5694
Le Viala (74) UnknownLorient 28.9.17956.2.1806Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Spartiate (74) UnknownToulon 24.11.17972.8.1798Captured182' 7"150' 4"49' 4 ½"21' 7"1,949 4194
L'Hercule (74) UnknownLorient 5.12.179721.4.1798Captured181' 3"149' 8 ½"48' 6 ½"21' 9"1,876 3394
Le Quatorze Juillet (74) UnknownLorient 1.2.179828.4.1798Burnt172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
L'Argonaute (74) UnknownLorient 22.12.179818.12.1806Transfered172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
L'Union (74) UnknownLorient 17996.2.1806Sunk in Action172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Duguay Trouin (74) UnknownRochefort 25.3.18004.11.1805Captured172' 0"148' 11 ⅝"44' 6"22' 0"1,895 2294
L'Aigle (74) UnknownRochefort 6.7.180021.10.1805Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0"1537
Le Scipion (74) UnknownLorient 29.3.18014.11.1805Captured182' 1 ⅛"150' 0"48' 7 ½"21' 10"1,887 3994
Le Héros (74) UnknownRochefort 10.5.18016.1808Captured172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
L'Achille (74) UnknownRochefort 180321.10.1805Sunk in Action172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Brutus (74) 31.5.1798Lorient 24.1.180314.9.1806Sunk in Action172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Magnanime (74) UnknownRochefort 18.8.18031816Deleted from list172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Lion (74) UnknownRochefort 12.1.180421.10.1809Scuttled172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Regulus (74) 4.4.1801Lorient 12.4.18057.4.1814Scuttled172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Courageux (74) UnknownLorient 3.2.180616.3.1831Broken Up172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
L'Ajax (74) UnknownRochefort 17.6.18061816Disarmed172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 
Le Hautpoult (74) UnknownLorient 2.9.180717.4.1809Captured181' 6"149' 4 ¾"48' 6 ¼"21' 8"1,870 7894
Le Triomphant (74) UnknownRochefort 31.3.18091828Hulked172' 0"155' 0"44' 6"22' 0" 

Sources

IDDescriptionAuthorType
EWIKI WikipediaVariousWeb Site
BWAS-1793 British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793 - 1817Rif WinfieldBook

Previous comments on this page

Posted by F.F. on Wednesday 21st of June 2017 18:13

According to La Revue maritime, volume 150 (see below), the Sané's Téméraire class (Duquesne subclass) ship of the line named the Vengeur had been built from Sané's plans by Ozanne, launched at Brest on the 16th of December, 1789, and wrecked near Ajaccio (Corsica) on the 13th of December, 1792. Only after her loss was the former the Marseillais renamed the Vengeur, and this ship was the one sunk on the 1st of June, 1794; she was not a Sané's ship of the line (see below).

According to admiral Édouard Burgues de Missiessy, the Téméraire class ships of the line dimensions were (P= “pied”, French foot; p= “pouce”, French inch; m = meter; t= meteic ton = 1000 ㎏ ≈ 2204.62 lbs) :
172P× 44P6p × 22P

55.87 m × 14.46 m × 7.15 m

183'3.7" × 47'5.1" × 23'5.4"
Displacement, 2947t

Measurments in the British Navy were different: for example, beam was mesured in the British Navy with planking, but without planking in the French Navy.
Currently, Téméraire class ships of the line were some 1885 tons burthen (≈ 5340 ㎥ of hold) according to the Royal Navy.


Posted by F.F. on Wednesday 21st of June 2017 17:17

Please note that the Vengeur sunk on the 1st of June, 1794, was neither one of Jacques-Noël Sané's Téméraire class ships of the line, nor even one of Sané's ships.
The first ship of the line of Sané was the Annibal of 1778 (renamed the Achille in 1786). The first of the Téméraire class was launched in 1782.
The ship named the Vengeur-du-peuple (the people's avenger) was launched at Rochefort in 1762. Her name was then the Marseillais. She had been paid by the merchant corps of Marseille as a part of the “don des vaisseaux” (gift of ships [of the line]). A mediocre sailer, whereas Sané's ships will all be imcredibly fine ships, she was renamed the Vengeur-du-peuple after the fall of the king, in 1792.
Source for the history of all the French ships having been named Vengeur : La Revue maritime, volume 150, July 1901 (available on the French national library's website; links are forbidden here, sorry).


Posted by Cy on Wednesday 21st of June 2017 11:48

Different Vengeur. The one sunk was the
The Marseilles renamed in 1793 AFTER the original was lost.


Posted by John Collier on Wednesday 21st of June 2017 08:36

Le Vengeur was surely sunk at the 'Glorious First of June' battle of 1794? Also, I was always under the impression that Les Droites de l'Homme was an experimental design?
Yours, JC

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