Duquesne Group variant of Téméraire Class

Posted by pan on Monday 6th of February 2023 00:49

Armament 1793 all Téméraire has
Lower Gun Deck 28 x French 36-livres
Upper Gun Deck 30 x French 24-livres
16 x French 8-livres
4 x French 36-caronades
In fact they had at least 78 guns(Arthur Young in 1787and 1788 saw that three of them had 84 guns，Their name is L'Éole , Le Tourville , Le Jean Bart )
in Batailles navales de la
France. Tome 1

Posted by F.F. on Wednesday 21st of June 2017 18:13

According to La Revue maritime, volume 150 (see below), the Sané's Téméraire class (Duquesne subclass) ship of the line named the Vengeur had been built from Sané's plans by Ozanne, launched at Brest on the 16th of December, 1789, and wrecked near Ajaccio (Corsica) on the 13th of December, 1792. Only after her loss was the former the Marseillais renamed the Vengeur, and this ship was the one sunk on the 1st of June, 1794; she was not a Sané's ship of the line (see below).

According to admiral Édouard Burgues de Missiessy, the Téméraire class ships of the line dimensions were (Ｐ= “pied”, French foot; ｐ= “pouce”, French inch; ｍ = meter; ｔ= meteic ton = 1000 ㎏ ≈ 2204.62 lbs) :
172Ｐ× 44Ｐ6ｐ × 22Ｐ
≈
55.87 ｍ × 14.46 ｍ × 7.15 ｍ
≈
183'3.7" × 47'5.1" × 23'5.4"
Displacement, 2947ｔ

Measurments in the British Navy were different: for example, beam was mesured in the British Navy with planking, but without planking in the French Navy.
Currently, Téméraire class ships of the line were some 1885 tons burthen (≈ 5340 ㎥ of hold) according to the Royal Navy.

Posted by F.F. on Wednesday 21st of June 2017 17:17

Please note that the Vengeur sunk on the 1st of June, 1794, was neither one of Jacques-Noël Sané's Téméraire class ships of the line, nor even one of Sané's ships.
The first ship of the line of Sané was the Annibal of 1778 (renamed the Achille in 1786). The first of the Téméraire class was launched in 1782.
The ship named the Vengeur-du-peuple (the people's avenger) was launched at Rochefort in 1762. Her name was then the Marseillais. She had been paid by the merchant corps of Marseille as a part of the “don des vaisseaux” (gift of ships [of the line]). A mediocre sailer, whereas Sané's ships will all be imcredibly fine ships, she was renamed the Vengeur-du-peuple after the fall of the king, in 1792.
Source for the history of all the French ships having been named Vengeur : La Revue maritime, volume 150, July 1901 (available on the French national library's website; links are forbidden here, sorry).

Posted by Cy on Wednesday 21st of June 2017 11:48

Different Vengeur. The one sunk was the
The Marseilles renamed in 1793 AFTER the original was lost.

Posted by John Collier on Wednesday 21st of June 2017 08:36

Le Vengeur was surely sunk at the 'Glorious First of June' battle of 1794? Also, I was always under the impression that Les Droites de l'Homme was an experimental design?
Yours, JC