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Wapen van Utrecht

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Nominal GunsUnknownDWAS-1600
NationalityDutch Republic
OperatorAdmiralty of Amsterdam
Acquired1621DWAS-1600
ShipyardUnknownDWAS-1600
CategoryFourth RateDWAS-1600
Ship TypeUnknown
Last Mentioned1621DWAS-1600

Dimensions


DimensionMeasurementTypeMetric EquivalentDWAS-1600
Burthen400Dutch Last 

 

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Posted by Vincent J. Power on Sunday 7th of November 2021 10:53

Found! Wapen van Utrecht, built 1693 in Hoorn, of the Admiralty Noorderkwartier, 3rd Rate Ship of the Line, dimensions 145ft x 39.7ft x 15.1ft, 64 guns, Crew 325, Commander Willem Adriaan Bolk, sank in Feb. 1710.
From exchanges via these two web pages and their admin:-
spanishsuccession.nl
Thanks to Maarten Folkers
wrecksite.eu/
Thanks to Jan Lettens


Posted by Vincent J. Power on Wednesday 27th of October 2021 20:32

CY, i actually found an entry in an old Dutch book for the 24th Aug. 1704.
It shows:- Under the Admiralty Council of West Friesland and the Northern Quarter - 't Wap. v. Utr


Posted by Vincent J. Power on Wednesday 27th of October 2021 18:03

Thank you CY for your reply. The Wapen van Utrecht on page 133 shows it was built in 1621. It seems very unlikely that this ship would have lasted 80 odd years. Where can you suggest i look for those Dutch ships that were with the British when they attacked & captured Gibraltar?


Posted by Cy on Wednesday 27th of October 2021 14:57

There are several ships sometimes known as 'Wapen van Utrecht', or more commonly just 'Utrecht'. This one is that referenced by Jim Bender on Page 133, but by no other source I am aware of. There are several problems with using Jim's book as a single source. Primarily because he relied almost entirely on surviving original documents, which are fragmentary at best, without too much in the way of cross references. This is clear from the number of vessels included in fleet lists which are not in the main body of the book. There are also numerous ommissions (and even some duplications) in his data. What hs has is very useful and some of it is original, but it is not definitive. Three Decks tries to merge many different source so does differ significantly from the data in Jim's book on occasion.


Posted by Vincent Power on Wednesday 27th of October 2021 14:31

In the same web page, further down it shows 'Dutch Navy ships during the War of the Spanish Succession'. Here it lists:- W. van Utrecht (N?), Captain Bolk, Guns 64? Gibr. 1704; Malaga 1704, Sunk Feb, 1710.


Posted by Vincent Power on Wednesday 27th of October 2021 14:25

I have found an entry in this web site 'spanishsuccession.nl'
It shows the Wapen van Utrecht under 'Dutch Navy Ships actually serving in 1696. Wapen van Utecht (N), Captain was 'Grauw'. 64 Guns, 325 men. This must be the one!


Posted by Vincent J. Power on Sunday 24th of October 2021 18:52

Comment 'On page 133 a Wapen van Utrecht is listed, built 1621, so it's unlikely to be this one'.
This ship was built in 1621. So it is very unlikely it survived until 1704.


Posted by Vincent J. Power on Sunday 24th of October 2021 18:52

Comment 'On page 133 a Wapen van Utrecht is listed, built 1621, so it's unlikely to be this one'.
This ship was built in 1621. So it is very unlikely it survived until 1704.


Posted by Vincent J. Power on Sunday 24th of October 2021 18:50

I have checked in James Bender's book and there seems to be an error.
The Wapen van Utrecht in the book shows it listed page 116 as Admiralty 'N' - Noorderkwartier, Wapen van Utrecht, 64 guns, Captain Bolck.
When you check on page 303 of that Admiralty the Wapen van Utrecht is not listed.
On Page 151 a Wapen van Utrecht is listed but it shows it was blown up in 1648. So this is not the same ship.
On page 133 a Wapen van Utrecht is listed, built 1621, so it's unlikely to be this one.
Another Wapen van Utrecht appears on page 251, but was burned in action in 1690, so it's not this one either.

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